China’s J-31/FC-31 Is Junk Yet U.S. Claims They Need To Spend More Tax Payer Cash Against It

Posted: November 23, 2014 in Chinese Military Is A Paper Dragon, War Is The New Economy

For those that are still under the illusion China is an enemy and not a Globalist business partner at least you’ll know like most other things China makes junky thier military hardware is no different.

To make it clear the J-31 & FC-31 is the same jet as the J designates ‘fighter’ and FC is for ‘export’ see here

It’s interesting to note that an un-named source U.S. pilot quoted below states “I think they’ll eventually be on par with our fifth gen jets — as they should be, because industrial espionage is alive and well.”

So it would seem it’s a running joke to politicians and the military China is stealing military secrets, or at least we’re being told they’re stealing, but Obama just signed a Visa deal with China that allows business people to stay for 10 years see here

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J-31 stealth jet gets bad reviews after Zhuhai Airshow flight

By Chang Kuo-wei 2014-Nov-20

J-10 fighters fly in formation at the Zhuhai Airshow, Nov. 11. (File photo/Xinhua)

J-10 fighters fly in formation at the Zhuhai Airshow, Nov. 11. (File photo/Xinhua)

China’s newly unveiled J-31 stealth fighter has received bad reviews at home and abroad after making its first public demonstration flight during the biennial Zhuhai Airshow in the southern province of Guangdong.

The criticism of J-31, China’s second fifth-generation fighter jet, mainly stems from the dark exhaust emitting from the jet’s engine, which indicates the engine’s poor efficiency in burning fuel.

There are two types of engines used on the J-31 jets — the RD-93 used by Russia’s MiG-29 fighters will be fitted to those intended for foreign clients, while the ones deployed by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) will have the WS-13 engine developed from the RD-93.

It is unclear which type of engine the J-31 on display in Zhuhai used.

Meanwhile, PLA Navy Rear Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong said in a speech in Xiamen on Nov. 17 that China’s reverse engineering still has its limitations, and that it will take the country another few years to achieve a breakthrough in developing its own engines.

Zhang said the development of a jet engine involves mechanics and digital control, and the former is far more easy to master than the latter. “This part is too difficult and not something that can be achieved successly in a short time,” he said.

Zhang also believes that the J-31 jet is too heavy.

Meanwhile, Teal Group analyst Richard Aboulafia said prospects for the J-31 jet’s export market are not as positive as many have described.

Aboulafia said countries buying Chinese military hardware are mainly poor, with Pakistan the largest customer, and China may have to find new clients for the higher-end fifth-generation fighters. These new clients are most likely China’s neighbors, but these countries will have their about Beijing given the tensions existing between them, Aboulafia added.

Moreover, the fifth-generation jets may have already come too late, since the US Air Force and Navy have both begun plans to develop their next-generation fighters to replace the F-22 and F/A-18E/F, respectively.



Just how good is China’s new ‘stealth’ fighter?
By Reuben F. Johnson, special for CNN
November 13, 2014

Editor’s note: Reuben F. Johnson is a correspondent for IHS Jane’s Defence Weekly, a publication devoted to defense and security intelligence and analysis. The views expressed are his own.

Zhuhai, Guangdong Province (CNN) — Zhuhai’s Air Show has always been a venue for surprises, usually first-time showings of advanced Chinese military hardware.

China’s pathologically secretive defense industry normally shows nothing official of its weapons programs to anyone, which makes the biennial Zhuhai expo the only chance to see what its weapons makers have been up to.

Much has been written in the past few years about China’s defense sector developing increasingly more capable weapons systems that approach the capability of their U.S. and European analogues.

Some Chinese weapons, such as a full range of anti-ship and air-to-surface missiles, seem to show that its military — the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) — is equipped to challenge U.S. Navy carrier battle groups and potentially deny the U.S. the ability to operate in certain areas of the Pacific. But questions remain about how battle-ready the PLA is and whether it can function in a modern, network-centric warfare environment.

Battlefield autonomy

Today’s battlefield operates on the premise that autonomy should be pushed down to the lowest level — even down to the man in the field — because time is of the essence. Getting inside of the enemy’s “decision loop” is the key to victory. But, giving individual units the ability to make their own tactical decisions without their orders being delivered from several layers up the chain of command is an anathema to the “control uber alles” mentality of the Chinese leadership.

Images: China takes flight
Images: China takes flight

In terms of new weapons, the number one attraction at Zhuhai this year was the new Shenyang FC-31 fighter. It has generated a good deal of excitement as it’s the first time a new Chinese military aircraft has been unveiled while still in the early stages of development — we usually have to wait until after they start serving in the PLA’s air force.

The FC-31 is designed to look like a stealth fighter aircraft in the class of the American Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. It is also the second, but smaller, stealth-type design to be developed by China. The FC-31′s “Big Brother,” the Chengdu J-20, first flew in January 2011 but has been shrouded in secrecy ever since.

The FC-31 “looks” stealthy and its shape mimics that of the F-35 in some respects. But it is impossible to tell just how successful the Shenyang design team has been in developing an aircraft with a low radar cross section without knowing the materials used, the placement of the engines inside the aircraft, and how well the heat signature from the engines has been suppressed by the design of the exhaust nozzle section.

Flawed design?

Like other PLAAF fighter aircraft, the FC-31 is powered by Russian-made jet engines, in this case two Klimov RD-93 models, which are a specialized variant of the same engine that powers the famous Mikoyan “MiG-29.” There have been rumors that a team of renegade designers from the Mikoyan bureau in Moscow assisted Shenyang in the development of the aircraft, but a senior MiG official stated “no, as far as I know they [the Chinese] completed this design themselves, and they seem to have done a good job on their own.”

The MiG official may be correct. An aircraft of this type designed with Russian assistance would probably perform better.

The FC-31′s flight routine shows that it “bleeds” too much energy — so when it enters into a turn it begins to lose altitude. Even during straight and level flight the pilot has to engage the engine’s afterburners in order to keep the aircraft from sinking to a lower altitude. These are defects in the aircraft’s aerodynamic design that a Russian design team would not have made.

Western aerospace analysts point out that the FC-31 flown at Zhuhai is a “clean” jet in that it is not armed, which means that an aircraft configured for a real mission and fitted with weapons would be even heavier and would perform even worse.

Timing a coincidence?

So, why has the PLAAF chosen to exhibit an aircraft that is either overweight, underpowered or both?

It could be an oblique signal to Washington timed to coincide with President Barack Obama’s visit to Beijing for the APEC summit. The underlying message: “China is stronger than you think.”

This would not be the first such example of China trying to use its defense industry to flex its muscles. In January 2011, when the J-20 first flew, then-U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates was in Beijing for an official visit. His read was that the timing of the two events was in no way coincidental.

Unfortunately for the PLA, the gesture falls flat.

Many would have been more impressed by the FC-31 in photos posted on Chinese websites than after seeing it actually fly at the air show.

Looks can be deceiving, as they say.



U.S. Pilots Say New Chinese Stealth Fighter Could Become Equal of F-22, F-35

By: Dave Majumdar
November 6, 2014

An undated photo of the Shenyang-J-31

China’s new Shenyang J-31 stealth fighter — making its debut next week at the Zhuhai international airshow — could eventually become more than a match for American stealth fighters in battle, several U.S. military and industry officials told USNI News.


The J-31 is China’s latest crack at developing a modern so-called fifth-generation stealth fighter — equivalent in ability to Lockheed Martin’s F-22 Raptor or F-35 Lighting II Joint Strike Fighter.

“They’re still in the glossy brochure phase of development, so they still look ten feet tall and bulletproof,” one senior U.S. fighter pilot familiar with the F-35 program told USNI News.
“I think they’ll eventually be on par with our fifth gen jets — as they should be, because industrial espionage is alive and well.”


An undated photo of the Shenyang-J-31

Many suspect the J-31 is designed using technology stolen from the Pentagon’s nearly $400 billion Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program.

“They sure look like F-35 and F-22s don’t they?” one Air Force operational test pilot told USNI News.

A U.S. F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Lockheed Martin Photo

The senior U.S. pilot familiar with the F-35 — who has extensive experience flying the Lockheed Martin F-16 Falcon — told USNI News the Chinese jet is now likely more than match for existing fourth generation non stealth American fighters like the Air Force Falcons, Boeing F-15 Eagles and the U.S. Navy’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

“They’ll probably be a handful right off the bat for all of our fourth gen stuff,” the pilot said.

One former Air Force fighter pilot extensive experience with foreign hardware told USNI News potential air battles might be more about sheer number of jets the Chinese might be able to put into the air versus the superior training of U.S. pilots.

“I worry about numbers more than particular platforms,” the former fighter pilot said.
“I imagine their jets and their weapons are pretty good. Don’t know about the pilots or their capacity to employ.”

Further, the retired pilot noted, airshows are designed to show off weapons to potential buyers, but offer no real information about what jet can really do during an actual combat mission.

“Just remember that airshows are exactly that — airshows.” the former pilot said. “Airshows provide no real clue to capabilities. As such, airshows generally rely on spectacular maneuvers to garner attention without providing substance. No different from the F-15C or the F-22.”

One current Air Force test pilot told USNI News that it would be difficult to gauge just how good the Chinese jet will be.

“Overall at this stage they’re not [operational] so it’s hard, for anyone to truly make a reasonable assessment,” the test pilot said.

There are still many unanswered questions about how the Chinese will operate their aircraft and what kinds of weapons the jets will carry. Perhaps the most important question is how good are the Chinese radars and other sensors compared to their American equivalents.

“How well will organic sensors work to support those weapons?” the test pilot asked rhetorically.

An undated photo of the Shenyang-J-31

For U.S. industry officials, the J-31’s debut at the Zhuhai airshow signals that the Chinese are planning on selling the jet on the open market.

“I would characterize the J-31 flying at the Chinese airshow as ‘incremental and measured,’” a senior industry official told USNI News.

“There have been some reports that the J-31 maybe be exported. If so, then showing it off makes even more sense to attract prospective buyers,” the official said.

The Chinese are making a lot of progress in developing their aerospace industry.

However, jet engines remain a weak spot for China.

“They have yet to field many of their “new” designs in any quantities,” the industry official said.
“Time will tell.”

Meanwhile, the Russia’s advanced Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E is also making it debut at the Zhuhai airshow.

The Chinese are reportedly interested in the purchase of 24 examples of the modernized Russian-built jet.

There has been much media speculation that the Chinese intend to reverse engineer the aircraft as they have with previous Flanker variants.

“I view the Su-35 buy as a conservative stop-gap measure while they wait for the J-20 and J-31 to enter service,” the industry official said. “Gotta have aircraft to have an air force.”



US needs new stealth fighter to combat China’s J-31: expert

Staff Reporter  2014-11-19

J-31 conducts training flight at Zhuhai before the opening of the Zhuhai Air Show. (Photo/CNS)

J-31 conducts training flight at Zhuhai before the opening of the Zhuhai Air Show. (Photo/CNS)

China recently demonstrated its second fifth-generation stealth fighter, the J-31, for the 10th Zhuhai Airshow held in Guangdong from Nov. 11-16. Dave Majumdar, an American defense expert, thus suggests in Washington’s National Interest that the US must put the F-35 into service or develop new fighters to face this challenge.

China has come to realize that fourth-generation fighters such as the J-10, J-11, Su-27 and Su-30 will be obsolete when facing American fifth-generation stealth fighters like the F-22 and F-35, an official from the Pentagon told Majumdar. “The price of admission for a fifth-gen war is a fifth-gen airplane and they get that,” the official was quoted as saying. Many US aviators believe that the J-31 was built based on stolen F-22 and F-35 technologies and will eventually be as powerful as the two American fighters.

“I think they’ll eventually be on par with our fifth-gen jets because industrial espionage is alive and well,” an F-35 test pilot told the US Naval Institute. A senior official from the US Air Force said that an F-22 has a 30-to-one kill ratio versus a Su-30 or J-11 outside of a surface-to-air missile environment. When the J-20 and J-31 enter service with the PLA, even a three-to-one kill ratio advantage becomes costly.

Facing this new challenge, the official suggested those who question the need for the F-35 to rethink their logic. “They may be complex, expensive and still immature, but they are a quantum leap over every other fighter in our arsenal,” said he. Believing that China will eventually make the J-20 and J-31 into perfect stealth fighters, the official suggested the United States to learn from China’s commitment to upgrading its military technology.

The U.S. Official Says China Will Make J-20 Perfect…….China Believes Otherwise



China’s J-20’s can’t seem to get off the ground

Staff Reporter 2014-11-22

The concept art of J-20 fighter. (Internet Photo)

The concept art of J-20 fighter. (Internet Photo)

The future of the J-20, China’s first stealth fighter is still uncertain because of an inability to design and produce engines for the advanced jet, according to our sister newspaper Want Daily on Nov. 21.

Since the J-20 is currently powered by Russian-built AL-31F engines, China’s plan to put the aircraft into service before 2020 remains questionable. China is developing WS-15 engines for the J-20. Military experts said that China is unlikely to complete the development of the WS-15 in a short period of time. Varios Russian media had already claimed that the J-20 will never be completed without the assistance of Russia.

While the WS-15 is still being tested on the ground, China has already completed the development of a WS-10 engine. This engine will be produced for Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation’s J-10B and Shenyang Aircraft Corporation’s J-31, which is China’s second stealth fighter. Still, the WS-10 engine is unsuitable to be used to power a J-20. Until now, China does not have a totally independent aviation industry because it can not solve its engine problem.

China introduced 150 AL-31F and 123 AL-31FN engines from Russia in 2011. In early 2012, China again purchased 140 AL-31F engines to equip its Su-27, Su-33 and J-11 fighters. The People’s Liberation Army sent a delegation to Russia last month to discuss jointly producing engines for the J-20 fighter. Only the J-31 was displayed at the Zhuhai Air Show held this year because the J-20 is apparently not ready to be shown to the public.



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